Episode 201 - 2024 Election Season Heats Up

It’s election season – and we’re talking presidential politics with renowned political commentator, Amy Walter, Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of the Cook Political Report

For more than 25 years, Amy has built a reputation as an accurate, objective, and insightful political analyst. As one of Washington's Most Powerful Women in 2023 & 2021, she understands the issues, trends, and events that shape the political landscape.

Listen in as SAE Tomorrow Today host, Grayson Brulte, sits down with Amy to discuss her perspective on the 2024 presidential race, the issues that matter most to voters, and what to expect as election season heats up.

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The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter

For more than 25 years, Amy Walter has built a reputation as an accurate, objective, and insightful political analyst with unparalleled access to campaign insiders and decision-makers.

Walter is the Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter and a frequent on-air analyst. She appears weekly on “Politics Monday” on the PBS NewsHour and is a regular Sunday panelist on NBC’s “Meet the Press” and CNN’s “Inside Politics” and appears frequently on “Special Report with Bret Baier” on Fox News.

Since 1998, Walter has provided election night coverage and analysis. She is the former political director of ABC News and the former editor-in-chief of The Hotline. Named one of the “Top 50 Journalists” by Washingtonian magazine, Walter was also dubbed one of the most powerful people in politics in George magazine. She also won The Washington Post’s Crystal Ball Award for her spot-on election predictions.

Walter graduated summa cum laude from Colby College, honored with an honorary PhD and now serves on the Board of Advisors. She is also a member of the Board of Advisors for the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics.

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Grayson Brulte:

Hello, and welcome to SAE Tomorrow Today.

I'm your host Grayson Brulte on today's episode. We're absolutely honored to have Amy Walter, publisher and editor in chief of the cook political report with Amy Walter. Amy, welcome to the podcast. 

Amy Walter:

Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. 

Grayson Brulte:

It's great to have you here. We're in the middle of election season. You turn on the news, finance news, regular news. Open the papers. It's politics. And on Monday we saw President Trump steamrolled in Iowa. He went over 50% in the caucus. If this trend continues of President Trump winning New Hampshire, South Carolina. Does he wrap it up by Super Tuesday?

Amy Walter:

He can wrap it up officially by the middle of March. He will have reached the percent of delegates where no one could catch him by, I think it's March 19th. That's a pretty squished timetable there. But look, the race will be essentially over if Nikki Haley fails to or come close to Donald Trump and by close, I don't mean 10 points close. Like a couple of points close. It's hard to call this a race anymore. It's just basically, as you said it's basically a sprint now to March when he gets enough delegates to be over. The majority of delegate line and the race for 2024, the general election. Really weird. 

Grayson Brulte:

I've noticed His victory speech in Iowa. His tone is changing. Yeah. It's not the sanctimonious, every, you want to call it the nickname book. He was behaved. Is that a thing to come or are we just going to revert back to the nickname book? 

Amy Walter:

It's so good that you brought that up because I feel like now we've watched Donald Trump, what, since 2015. Yeah. So we noticed this pattern. I've been noticing this pattern since then, which is. He will now he doesn't have Twitter, but he has his other platforms where he will write something, or he'll be at a rally, say something, be on TV, say something and you say, okay there's undisciplined Trump.

There's Trump. As you said, the nickname thing, the retribution, the grievance off message rambling. And then all of a sudden, he'll go into disciplined Donald Trump mode. Oh, that was a good way to frame the outline of this race. I saw that he at the Fox town hall that a week ago.

He did a very good job of keeping focused on the issues that really matter to voters. I think at one point, you Bret Baier asked him, hey you keep talking about I'll be your retribution. Is this just going to be a campaign about retribution? He's no. I'm just going to talk about the economy.

That's what people want to talk about. It's not retribution. But we know that it's going to be both of those things. You'll get the disciplined and the undisciplined. I think it was Maggie Haberman, the New York Times wrote this phrase about him which is just brilliant, which he's the most undisciplined and disciplined candidate we've ever had and that. Expect to keep going to the NBA. Yeah, it is he at his core. He is, he knows who he is and what is ethos is his theory of the cases. But he also cannot help himself when he feels like he's been wronged when he feels like someone has disrespected him when he feels as if, things are not working out the way they should be.

He will absolutely go way off script, or in his case, it is part of a script, right? That's why it's the discipline. Yes, it is all part of what you get. You don't. You may get one side of Donald Trump one day and the other side of Donald Trump the next day, but it is all part of the same package. Again, we've been down this road now.

Last 8 years, it doesn't feel to me that much has changed. Although when I talk to folks who cover him. And have been covering him for years, what they'll say is it feels like at his rallies. It's a little his style is a little bit darker. He's there was a little more, he's always been, as you said, during the insults and the nicknames but his outlook is much darker now than it was, say, when he was 1st running in 2016, or even when he's running for reelection in 2020 much more focus on this idea of retribution, persecution, and really reliving, relitigating the 2020 election. And that he's always a guy who goes off on tangents and will meander around and look, the current president goes on tangents and meanders around too. But again, the folks who've been covering him for years say it just feels even more meandering than it once did.

If there's anything that's different, they say about Donald Trump that we're seeing now versus what we saw in 2016 and 2020, it's those two things that stand out, at least in his public persona and what he does at these rallies. 

Grayson Brulte:

President Trump has gotten darker. If you look at the American consumer, let's remove Wall Street from this equation.

Let's just look at Main Street data, the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, the consumers hurting. We saw the recent report that credit card debt now is that an all-time high higher above the 2000, they're hurting in the high interest rate environment. And we saw during President Trump's presidency that Jay Powell was a bully, but he just kept going after, after pound on nonstop. And there are there's reports now, and I don't think that we're going to have interest rates in the first half, Powell's going to have to get unconventionally political to save the economy. But then does Trump make Powell a big bad man? Again? Starts going on. I told you folks to become another, oh, I'm boogeyman if you want to use that. 

Amy Walter:

We're not sure that, except in this case, he can use Joe Biden as really, he's the boogeyman, right? Because when Trump was president, he had to be able to deflect the blame of what was happening in the economy off of him and onto see, it's I don't have control over this.

It's the Fed that's doing these things. If it were up to me, I wouldn't do this. And remember, we're supposed to have a wall between the executive and the Fed of 1 of the many norms that he broke was being. Pretty clear about his opinions about what the Fed was doing and what he would like the Fed to do.

In this case, though his. Argument on the economy is a pretty simple one and it is also voters at this point believe it to be the case that the economy was better when I was president than when. Find them by to the now as president and. You can trust me more than you can trust that guy. To get it better again, and again, you look at the polling.

Double digit difference between how people feel about Trump handling the economy and invite it positively for Trump. Do you think that the policies of Trump. For more helpful, or did they hurt me more? This was a Wall Street Journal poll that came out probably 2 or 3 weeks ago. The percent of voters say his policies were more helpful than hurtful.

And not about Biden now, so the path to Trump's victory. You're absolutely right. It goes through the economy and he already has a public that feels pessimistic about the state of the economy. And Bernie thinks that Joe Biden isn't doing a particularly good job with it. If it were just about the economy and who could fix the economy, Donald Trump would win this election.

But it's not just going to be about that and that's what makes this really unusual election. And we haven't had an ex-president based off against a current president since 92 and listeners were around 92. I'd love to hear their insights from what that election was like. But so we don't, we think we know what it's going to look like because we've seen them run before.

But we normally have an election that is about if you want to go, give this person 4 more years, or do we want to give up somebody else a shot? Now we're saying, we're asking voters in this upcoming election, you want four more years of Biden, or do you want four more years of Trump? That's a very different calculation.

Grayson Brulte:

Yeah, that's where you look at the Republican base, they've got a fighter, and there's a percentage of that base. 

Amy Walter:

That's what they want. Absolutely. 

Grayson Brulte:

When Senator Romney, when he served, Governor Romney, had the Republican nomination, there was that big thing in a certain part of the base, but he never fought back.

There's opportunities now, the base has a player. So the economy is a very clear defined issue, but then there's immigration, the border issue. Does that become the hot button issue going into the circle? 

Amy Walter:

Yes, right. Listen, right now, it is a big issue, still much more so for Republican voters. I think it is in some cases their top issue and then the economy comes to, but the issue of immigration absolutely is moving its way up the priority list for all voters, not just Republican voters, and it is a clear liability.

President Biden, there's no other way to say it and he's getting hit from all sides. He's got Democratic mayors saying, you've got to do something about this. Our cities are becoming overwhelmed. They saw a report today, from I can't remember which hospital system, whether it was in New York or Massachusetts. Oh, is Denver actually Denver saying, we can't afford right? Our hospitals are now overburdened. That's not just the, what it means to have immigrants here. We think about homelessness and the challenges. That come along with having thousands of people bust into your city was really nowhere to go, but it's having an impact, ripples through the system.
So the health care system. The housing, et cetera, so it's being felt. And again, some people will see it as a security and safety issue. The people say it's a humanitarian issue, but it's also a kind of a competence issue. Right where you say if the president can't handle this seems pretty like I can see that there's a problem. They don't seem to be dealing with it. What it what is that about? Why can't you fix this? That reflects on his ability to actually be effective and that comes to your other point. This idea of strength, it's not just I'm going to fight back against people who have wronged me, but it is I'm strong enough to fix problems. I'm strong enough to say this is right. This is wrong. This is going to get this. Going to be dealing with that because we're dealing with this. 

Grayson Brulte:

I've toured the hotel in New York where a lot of immigrants are. It's that there's no other way to describe it. I've toured it and I've seen them into it.
It's a very sad environment. So you look at that and that opens up the debate in California under governor. That the housing affordability issue we're seeing California. Does that further extend to that issue? Because there is all these rumors that Governor Newsom wants to do something.

I'm not going to make an opinion one way or another, but there's rumors and it's been well speculated. Does that become an Achilles heel because we spend time in Los Angeles? It's not as safe as it used to be. 

Amy Walter:

Yeah, the issue of housing is one that has, as it is so complicated because you're coming at it from so many different Angles about what makes housing so unaffordable in a state like California, right?

They'll argue the regulations and the rules around building new housing have been so prohibitive that we are just, we're so we're just too far behind when it comes to building housing, and that makes it unaffordable. then there's also the point you raised earlier about. We now have interest rates as an issue.

So how's that? I thought I, I'd saved up for the last 10 years, getting ready to go. Oh, interest rates aren't 3 percent more. They're now closer to 7. I don't know that I can actually afford to get this house that I had been saving for. That's frustrating. And even rent. When I sit in focus groups and listen to voters if you were a renter, that's all you're thinking about too is it's not just I can't afford to buy a house or there aren't enough houses.

It's my rent keeps going up and my salary isn't keeping up and I don't know what I'm going to do about it. It's eating so much of my actual paycheck that I don't have anything left over. So all of those things come together to make people feel really anxious. And when we ask people, it's so interesting because we ask people this catch all question.

How do you feel about the economy? What the economy means to me might be very different from what it's it, healthcare can be included in the economy, right? If you're really worried because you have debt from healthcare or you have an aging parent who can't afford to stay in an assisted living situation, that's that a healthcare issue or is that an economy issue?

And again, do you have a house? Yeah, I do, but we're outgrowing it. I really wanted a new house, and I can't get one because interest rates are too high or I don't feel safe in this neighborhood anymore. Is that an economy issue? Is that a safety issue? It all melts together, but I do think that the idea of housing is one that is touching on so many more people. Has a interest rates going up. And also just the inflationary costs of everything else, your rent. Now, would you maybe even if it didn't go up, you say it's not going up, but everything else is, which makes and feel a scary thing to look at everyone. 

Grayson Brulte:

It's horrible. There's Jimmy. I forget his last name, but he ran from New York. Rent’s too damn high. Yeah. And that resonated with people. You're right about rents are going up, but I stopped buying oranges. It's $8. Yeah. I started to pay $8 for oranges and you start to feel these effects and I'm going to throw another ingredient in the bowl.

I've studied a lot, the insurance markets, the cost to insure a house. It's going through the roof. The cost to insure a vehicle with all the new components are going through the roof where it becomes unaffordable. Consumers who's paying to save for a car are $150 a month for insurance with GEICO, and now they're paying $400 because of the battery and the components.

And then, if you happen to live in a FEMA flood zone, or you live somewhere, you're uninsurable. When does that become a national issue? 

Amy Walter:

Right now, I'm surprised you, you have a state like Florida, where I know that This issue came up for dentist during the campaign, not as much as I thought it would be raised, but this is a state that has major insurance problems, right? You are trying to buy a house and it's one thing. I think some of us look at a state like Florida and go well, if you're building a house on the beach, that's your own. That's your own problem, right?

You know what the risks are if you're building a house on the beach but think about the flooding that's happened in Orlando. These are people who are living in central Florida or who aren't, they're not building a house. Right on the surf, they are building further inland, but. The flood issues, the hurricanes that are coming further inland and wreaking damage, the winds, as we know, are what caused the most damage.

It's impacting everybody there and insurers are pulling. Of these states, because literally unaffordable for them to cover these losses. If you're in a state, look, I'm in Virginia. Yeah, sure. I'm sure there are people who live in flood plains, but my day-to-day costs for insuring my house. Are not the same issue they would be if I lived in California in a fire zone, or I lived in Florida. And so I think right now it still feels like it's 1 of those issues that is a general issue, but you're right. If you, the combination of climate and the affordability issue overall, then housing becomes even harder for people to be able to feel like they can be part of that class of homeowners.

Grayson Brulte:

The American dream is that for a lot of Americans is slipping by a lot because the environment and then if you're going to get a mortgage, you have to have a certain level of insurance on end of year. And I live in Florida and it's just, it's unaffordable for a lot of individuals. You're in Virginia.

If governor Glenn Youngkin was hot and going into 2024 governor focused on the state races, but I'm going to fast forward to 2028. Does Governor Youngkin can go for it do you think? 

Amy Walter:

I cover politics. I love politics. I could speculate about all of it for the next 3 hours with you. We could be doing this a lot, but the 1 thing I have learned in all my years, doing this is that our perceptions, even a month from now. Probably wrong our assumptions, I shouldn't say perceptions, our assumptions about what the world's going to look like a month, 2 months, a year, certainly 4 years can be wildly inaccurate, and it usually is the big question as we go into a year.

2020 is for the Republican Party, beyond whatever the political atmosphere is, and whatever else is going on in the world in the country is what kind of party does the Republican Party will be was Donald Trump just a unique figure. He just can't be replicated and they're going to try. Ron DeSantis tried to be a mini Donald Trump that didn't really go anywhere.

The candidates in swing states who tried to run as mini Donald Trump's thinking about in Pennsylvania or Arizona with Kari Lake those candidates fell flat. Walker in Georgia, right? Those candidates did not succeed. Do Republicans find a way to have a candidate who can be both, because I do think that this idea of a Republican party that is going to be much more in the mold of Donald Trump, regardless of what happens in 24, I think that's likely to be the case going forward.

But who is the right candidate? Glenn Youngkin doesn't fit the traditional image of a Trump, right? He's got the, kind of country club, Republican look. All his whole back background of coming from private equity, to his style, which is much less combative than it is collaborative. Would you have to do in a state with divide in government?

Even on the issue of abortion, his whole decision to lean in on finding what he saw as common ground let's not get into we're going to ban them all or there is no limit. Let's just come to a reasonable agreement on. But the parameters of the abortion debate should be. That is a style to me.

That's a throwback that you brought up Mitt Romney. That he reminds me of that. How does there in a way in 2028, that is, there are going to be a lot of Kari Lakes aiming for that. And I think you look no further than Nikki Haley, right? Who, she still represents that wing of the, that Glenn Youngkin does too muscular on foreign policy, not as isolationist on foreign policy, clearly as somebody like a Donald Trump, coming from a more business friendly perspective from traditional corporate perspective. She's still around, so she's still in this fight, but she's not gaining the kind of support that she needs. 

Grayson Brulte:

No, it was her very public statements and she did a press release that she will not debate in Hampshire. Unless President Trump debates was that her Achilles heel exposed.

Amy Walter:

I think that was actually smart. There's no reason to go and do another debate with. And 1st of all, it gives him a platform rather than saying, look, this guy, he's in. That 5 percent and I'm sure he came in a distant 2nd in Iowa after saying he was going to win after having. Everything going for him, right?

The governor endorsed him. The leader of the evangelical movement state endorsed him. He spent hundreds of millions of dollars there on organizing and ads. I'm not going to give this guy a platform. The other thing is, if you watched that last debate between the 2 of them, it was. It was painful. It was.

Somebody described it really accurately as if you've ever watched the World Cup soccer, they're the top 2 teams that go on, they play for the championship and then they have the relegation game, which is 4th place. So who gets to claim 3rd place? And that's what it felt like they were, they were just sniping at each other. It felt so petty. Right? Issues that they were attacking each other on just didn't meet the moment. And I just., I thought that was actually a kind of a, I think it was the right call for her to just say, look, I'm running against Donald Trump. If he wants to come on the stage. Great. If not, this is just silly. I think the debates got her to where she is now. Success early on in those debates, but I don't think they do much for her. 

Grayson Brulte:

Going forward, I think a lot about this, and I go back to President Trump's first run to the presidency. I'm going to give you a media term, direct to consumer.

Look at the success of Netflix. It was direct to consumer. We're here in DC, and the most popular show that really put Netflix on the map was House of Cards. It was direct to consumer. President Trump went direct to consumer by leveraging Twitter and just hammering away at people. And now you have Tucker Carlson has his own network on X.

Why do more political candidates not try that direct-to-consumer ads? It's much more cost effective than running these blitzed ads all over TV that even, I have a, my father in law's 81. He went to TV for one thing football. Yeah, that's it. And everything else he's on his iPad. Yeah, it's great. It was great.

Look what I found. Okay. You're going to reach an 81-year-old gentleman who's voted in every election since it's been 18. Yeah, to me, it's a lot more powerful invest there. But yet it only see that President Trump was the only one that really understood that model. 

Amy Walter:

Yeah, no, it's a good point. And part of the reason he was so successful is that he already was a direct to consumer brand.

It's the difference between being able to be Coke or Pepsi and what you have, because you already have the market share in the name I. D. and you can do a lot more and be a lot more creative than if I just started my own brand of soda, right? And nobody knows anything about me. And what people, I don't think, appreciate Trump is how much he had some the seeds for. His success as a presidential candidate in the 2030 years of being the cultural Zeitgeist, right? And you would talk to both Democrats and Republicans who were running against him in 2016, who would go to these focus groups and outline. All right, let me show you all the facts.

He's bankrupt. This thing is bankrupt. He tried this, they all went up, right? He's. He's a fraud, he's got, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump this, Trump that, what a disaster. And Trump vodka, all of these things, right? The UFL, all these things that were just an absolute disaster. And voters are going, that's not true. Look at him, he's a multi-millionaire, I don't know what you're talking about. No one's going to let, no one lends him money in New York, he's considered a joke in New York. Really? I see his name on buildings. I always go back to my son was probably 9 or 10 years old in that 1st run. And he said of course, he's rich.

He has his own plane. Right? Only really rich people have their own plane with their name on it and it's big and it's big. So this. You could not convince people that he was not successful also, because so they see his name on buildings. They saw The Apprentice. They saw him in, depending on how old you are, right in movies and referenced and all of it.

He was the New York real estate man, right? That is very hard for very few people. Now, this is why you hear names like Mark Cuban, right? What he, and he doesn't have nearly the reach and national name recognition that a Donald Trump has but, he would be somebody that you go, he has some name recognition because of Shark Tank and people who are into sports.

They know the Mavericks, he is somebody you could see getting into the maybe, but for your regular Paul when I'm getting. He's still got to go through the regular channels. 

Grayson Brulte:

The Cuban thing interests me, so the majority share Sheldon Adelson's widow. So he's no longer majority owner of the mathematician. Which raises the question, are we entering the age of a celebrity president?

Amy Walter:

So some people are, I think what we learn every year is those things that's very obvious. Remind ourselves, even people who do this for a living, it's hard to run for president. It looks easy for really smart, successful people.

They go that guy could do that. And then you have somebody like Mike Bloomberg, right? Yeah, that's you can call him, he's a, he's not a celebrity in the same sense that Donald Trump is, but he's a well-known figure. Obviously, somebody who has a bajillion dollars. And watching him on that debate, I don't know if you remember that in 2020, getting eviscerated by Elizabeth Warren was a reminder again of this is him.

And yeah you will see we, I think every year we see somebody pop up as a potential candidate for, Dr. Oz. Thank you so much for joining us. He didn't run for president. He ran for the Senate and that didn't go so well. 

Grayson Brulte:

Because he transferred all of his assets to his daughter. What happened? 

Amy Walter:

You could, you still have to be believable authentic, what I love about elections and campaigns is. That it does feel like, does it really matter people just, they vote for a D, they vote for an R. Everybody's so polarized, but, voters can smell the difference between a good candidate and a bad candidate.

And again, Kari Lake, another example, she is a very well-known Arizona. And on everybody's TV for years and years, I think she started with a well of goodwill. And then the more she talked and dug herself into this. All of being somebody who was promoting conspiracy theories, the election was stolen and, voters started to go huh, if she's, maybe she's not the same person we saw all this, but they can sniff that stuff out. And so the real deal, is hard to show to the public. 

The other big difference, I think, is Democratic primary voters are not quite as attracted to those kind of candidates as Republicans are. In part because Democrats like government, they think experience in government is important. They want somebody who's proven themselves being a public servant of some sort and especially somebody who's had exhibit governing experience or elective experience.

Somebody popping in was considered -- Oprah's going to come in and win the nomination. She still could it's impossible to believe that, but that kind of came, but not as appealing as on the Republican side. Those candidates who were outsiders, not traditional politicians come from the business world come from, some other celebrity, Schwarzenegger, they have more appeal to the Democratic side. 

Grayson Brulte:

Who's next. Who, obviously you have Gavin Newsom is chomping at the heels, but where's the democratic, let's say institutional governmental bench with experience. I don't really see a clear path there.

Amy Walter:

There's actually a really deep bench. And I think that's why you have among many Democrats, real frustration with Biden, Team Biden, because they say we've got a lot of people out here who could be very strong candidates against Donald Trump. You're not the only guy who could be built. So they would point to Governor Whitmer in Michigan, they would point to Jared Polis, the governor of Colorado.
Obviously, Democrats want to do this, whether he would get the nomination or not. That's a whole question. They have a deep bench in the Senate. Some of them ran last time around, the Michael Bennet from Colorado and Kirsten Gillibrand from New York. Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota, I'm not including Sanders, because of their age, so let's go to the next generation under that.

And then you've got the new governors. Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania is super popular he is absolutely on the short list for 2028. there's no doubt about that. Wes Moore from Maryland, the governor of Maryland, incredibly charismatic. Definitely going to be on the short list. The bench is actually really deep. It's just that, you think about this like a, there's been the ceiling here and it's Hillary and Biden that have been taking up all of that space and all the younger folks under me are like, but what, when's my chance now, to be fair, they had a chance in 2020 and they didn't succeed. But this could have easily been the year where you saw those candidates come into the consciousness of voters, if Biden had said, you know what, I'm not running for it.

Obviously, the vice president would have run as well, but I think he would have had a very robust primary. 

Grayson Brulte:

Is there a lot of unhappiness in the Democratic Party because Biden's probably going to run? 

Amy Walter:

Yeah. Probably, if you go into a room with democratic, we'll call them. Every person in there will be about it. Because they think this is somebody who should have pass the torch. It's at 81 years old. This is just such a big risk. And we didn't need to be in this position, but we are, and we've got to now just make the best of it. But in the same way that if you go into a room with Republican elites, they'll all complain about Donald Trump.

So what's interesting to me, the difference between the two parties right now, I think going into this election is, still that Republican elite class donor class as well. Political class does not want Donald Trump, the voters do. The voters are winning. On the Democratic side, I think both the base voters and the elites would like to see another nominee.

It's not that they don't like Donald or don't like Joe Biden. They like him, but they want him. But nobody's doing anything. At least on the Republican side, the donor class can say, look, we don't like Donald Trump. So we gave all of our money to Ron DeSantis, but we gave all of our money to Nikki Haley, and didn't work, but at least we did something. The Democratic side, you don't have a Senator, a governor that said, hey, nobody else is right. I'm fine. I'm going to do it. And if you're here complaining to me. As I've heard you complain to me week after week about Joe Biden and give me money and let me run this, but the money wouldn't be there because the fear is more than if we challenge him, it will expose more weakness. It will divide the party and it will hand action to the Trump and so it's better to just privately grants, but publicly put on a good face. And make sure they beat Donald Trump. Where's Joe Manchin put in all of this? Where does Joe Manchin put in all of this? For the time being, he still has a very powerful world.

He is still vote number 51, or 50 in some cases, for Democrats. They still need him around to do certain things. Does he decide to run as a third-party alternative? Labels ticket just don't look at him personally. It's not like we text each other. We're not friends. Oh, come on. I know. But he definitely feels isolated from the Democratic, there's no doubt about that. But I think he also understands politically, a 3rd party candidate. Just not getting it, anybody who's done politics, understands a 3rd party candidate for president is not going to. Now, you can be upset about that. You can want that to change, but the reality is, it's not changing certainly not by 2024.

If you run, you will be a spoiler. And the only question is, are you a spoiler that's gonna help Trump or are you a spoiler that's gonna help. I didn't in this case. I just think most of those third-party candidates be more helpful to the Trump. 

Grayson Brulte:

Amy, this has been a really insightful conversation. We can go, I know we've got a, we haven't even touched on the energy, right?

Amy Walter: 

We've got a lot of stuff, but that's what's really exciting about this moment that we're in. I appreciate it, it is anxiety producing, living in a time of such dramatic change and tumult. It feels like the ground's shifting underneath us all the time. For politics, something that, for me at least, it made sense, there was a certain rhythm to it.

It doesn't follow that rhythm anymore. But we're also in a new century. We're literally at a tipping point, not just on American history, but we're watching the same things that you and I are talking about are happening all over the world. This is a time where we, if we step back and say, okay, understand where the anxiety is coming from, understand that changes.

Difficult understand that humans do not like things changing and that's like the most human of human conditions. We are in a time of change and we will come out on the other side and, historians will come back and go this era was known as the blah, blah, blah era, but it's hard to feel good about that.

Grayson Brulte: 

There's a lot of nervousness if you look at the election in Taiwan with the new president and China's not too happy about that. My concern is the global economy with semiconductors. There's a lot to look forward to; at some point, I'd love to have you back. I think that semiconductors will become a presidential issue just because of the impacts on the global economy.

Amy, thank you so much for coming on SAE Tomorrow Today. The conversation has been wonderful. 


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