A review of two particular projects from the '60s, will be presented. One pertains to doing a modal, before they were called that, using accelerometers and an oscilloscope for manual readout and graphing. The other relates to making best use of an early hardware design for best available noise control. The free advice will relate to presentations of data purporting to represent how people may judge in-vehicle sound and how we might learn about human response from the another industry.